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June 02, 2006

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Miracula

You know, Hugo, as a Latina I can't help but wonder if you didnt completely misunderstand Oscar's point. I find it hard to believe that all he, a member of MECHA, wanted from you was to be more accepting of your family - that seems so superficial somehow. DIdn't he challege you more than that?

I don't mean to come down so hard on you two consecutive days. I thought this post was great and funny and fascinating, nd I'm going to share OKOP and NOKOP as soon as I finish this comment. I really do like your blog.

The Happy Feminist

But Miracula, I think that Oscar did challenge Hugo by showing him how shallow "his white guilt and working class chic" were. It sounds like Oscar was saying, hey you don't get brownie points for exaggerated displays of disgust at the sins of your forbears. Don't pander to people from less privileged backgrounds by disavowing your family. Focus on your own conduct and acting in a way that matters rather than useles posturing.

I can relate to a lot of what you say, Hugo. During adolescence, I developed a finely tuned class radar and I used to cringe if someone wore a badly fitting suit or used bad grammar or committed any of the NOKOP sins. (Not that I called it NOKOP, thank goodness!) I think maturity means realizing that none of that stupid crap matters. It's the content of a person's character that matters not whether they are wearing a Savile Row suit versus a polyester disco outfit.

I also think that hiding one's background can imply that you really do think it's important. On the other hand, people resent it if you drop that your family was in the Social Register or belonged to certain clubs or had money. So it is a double bind for people from that kind of background, although certainly something that can be navigated fairly easily compared to other problems in the world.

Hugo

Thanks, Happy -- that was indeed how I understood Oscar's point. And yes, it is a "double-bind" sometimes, particularly when I spend so much of my life teaching in a community college which is over 80% non-white and has a huge majority of first-generation students.

Goran D

You definitely don't come across as an elitist when you teach. But what do I know I am another white guy!

Hugo, one question. I read your whole post and what I most want to know is: you had your nipples PIERCED? Do you still have them in?

NancyP

This makes me chuckle in recognition. I remember being embarrassed in college that I wasn't either taking out loans or working, when many of my peers were doing so.

bmmg39

"I think labels are for canned food." -- Michael Stipe

erica

I enjoyed this post too... I think it is Oscar's advice is healthy- wish it were easy.

MVa

It's the content of a person's character that matters not whether they are wearing a Savile Row suit versus a polyester disco outfit.

I agree. Let all people be judged by their character - not their gender, their race, how they look, what they wear, how much they earn. We are all innocent until proven to have a bad character.

Eric

Me too Ooogo! I agree with Oscar. I feel the same way he does.

The Happy Feminist

Curious Hugo -- do you pronounce your name Hugh-go or Hoo-go?

EL

I've said before and I'll say again that, if we want "allies" in any struggle, we're not going to get them by making them ashamed of themselves. (That doesn't mean never call someone on classism or homophobia or racism or sexism.) And I know this is far from a consensus, but I am personally in the camp that believes we have very little without allies. If allies are constantly having to "pass" or "guilt" then their work toward social justice can only be a phase. They won't feel like keeping it up that long, in part because they'll start to doubt the importance of the claims made; after all, those people will feel oppressed for being who they are too.

So ... Hugo, I love this post. Fair and balanced, friends, this is what it means.

Hugo

Hugh-go. Thanks, all.

mythago

we're not going to get them by making them ashamed of themselves

Hugo isn't talking about anyone 'making' him ashamed. He's talking about the privilege to wallow in pseudo-guilt as a badge of hipness, instead of accepting one's background and origins while acknowledging privilege and working for equality.

curiousgyrl

"I believed at the time to be unmerited good fortune and privilege"

What do you now believe it to be?

I mean, I completely agree that shallow anti-elitism is simply the reverse of elitism (witness the easy OKOP NOKOP irony/sincerity flip, but I dont think that accepting the reality of your class and background is the same as aceepting the merit of the privledge it affords.

Geo

My wife is Black and I'm White. I twinge a little when she and other Black people - nod to each other, acknowledging each other when they're in mostly White worlds.

I feel left out and sometimes emotionally feel like B - should just "be normal" and not be so sensitive to racism, sexism and bodyism that she encounters - as an assertive, "uppity" (in a good sense) person.

It is important for me - to listen - and to hear the feelings and the hurts and just the life experiences - so different from my own.

I twinge also when fellow Jews - say: "I'm not White, I'm Jewish" - feeling like they can "pass" - while my Wife sure can't.

Overt racism - isn't that visible for us in our lives, but more subtle things come up. Often - one doesn't know - Which "oppression" is the issue - if any at all.

As an (not young) Upper-Middle Class White Male - I see it most important to try to do things - directly when I can with others who may share similarities with me - A Jewish Voice For Peace - is one group I admire. (Supporting others - People of Color, Women etc. - is helpful, but not often as a part of "their group").

Where we often run into trouble I think is where we try to: "help those poor ...." - (Blacks, Women, Poor People) - and are condescending, controling or asking others to spend serious time with us to assuage our guilt or whatever.

We can help others - where we want to give help! We can take care of our own emotional growth - as you Hugo and others have spoken of.

Thanks - for another Excellent Posting!

Geo

EL

Hugo isn't talking about anyone 'making' him ashamed. He's talking about the privilege to wallow in pseudo-guilt as a badge of hipness, instead of accepting one's background and origins while acknowledging privilege and working for equality.

What if it's not "pseudo-guilt", what if it's real guilt? What if it's not about "hipness" but is instead about a legitimate wish to dis-identify with things one adamantly doesn't believe in? Even if that dis-identification is, in fact, completely unhelpful, I don't think it makes sense to see it as coming from a disingenuous place. In fact, I don't think that writing off the reactions of potential allies by assuming
they are "pseudo" or simply a "badge of hipness" really limits our understanding of how "privilege" and "oppression" operate.

EL

That last sentence should actually read:

In fact, I think that writing off the reactions of potential allies by assuming they are "pseudo" or simply a "badge of hipness" really limits our understanding of how "privilege" and "oppression" operate.

Hugo

Well, it was real guilt, EL, but misplaced. What should I feel guilty about? Guilt that, when it came to coming to California (as my uncle put it) my family "got here first and stole more?" My family's money was made largely through ties to the Southern Pacific Railroad (my great-great grandfather and my great-grandfather were both attorneys for that big monopoly). While I am not going to say "Gosh, I'm so proud of them!", I don't share in a collective guilt imposed on me by my ancestors.

I can work for a more just and equitable world without denouncing my heritage or engaging in a masturbatory fiesta of self-criticism. Plenty of progressives from backgrounds of privilege spend so much time apologizing for that privilege that they waste energy that could be spent on building a better world. Guilt is rarely a productive emotion, particularly when it is guilt rooted less in what one did oneself, and more in what one's class, race, or forebears did.

Cynthia

Hugo! Wonderful post. You and I came into contact when you were the Brooks Brothers seemingly starched white boy from Carmel. And frankly, not only did I write you off, which I realize was my bias-- I was completely annoyed by you. But I agree with you about guilt and how it functions. I don't know from psuedo-guilt, but I do know that emotions that inspire growth have a driving purpose and are something to be slogged through, rather than tossed off.

And hey, I'm glad to know you now, and share in your thoughts on poetry and life.

Hugo

Oh Cynthia, how I remember that class all those years ago. I've come a long way since, thank you for noticing! Cheers to you!

perplexed

I am a white guy. Should I feel guilty?

Is it wrong to live my life the best I can, and be nice to others who I meet, regardless of their gender or race? I think there's a danger of falling into the "I have black friends too" type of self-consciousness by over-analysing my behaviour. I find I get best results by being myself in anyone's company - people appreciate that more than me seeing them as a woman or a black person or whatever and acting accordingly. No special treatment, no worse treatment. It's like wearing "personality specs" where you see the personality first and last.

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