A note on my women's studies class

I mentioned a few weeks ago that I'm teaching my women in American society course for the first time in a six-week winter intersession.  I was worried about compressing the material down, but I'm happy to say that things are going very, very well indeed.

I've got many talkative and bright students, the sort who not only make excellent comments in class, but e-mail me afterwards to continue the conversation.  Teaching seven hours straight four days a week is fairly grueling (and I haven't even started grading yet), but with this group to get me started in the morning, things are much easier than I anticipated.

I will admit that I'm shifting my focus considerably.  As regular readers may know, I've often argued that the early women's history can be traced to "women's disappointment in men."  The first feminist organizations of the 1830s, such as the temperance clubs and Moral Reform societies, began as responses to the epidemic of "bad" male behavior (usually involving alcohol, gambling, and prostitution).  This "epidemic" was linked to the industrial revolution and the beginnings of a significant rural to urban shift, where men encountered infinitely more opportunities to drink and otherwise misbehave.

But where I've made a mistake in the past is assuming that contemporary feminism continues to be a primarily female response to being disappointed by men.  While it is true that a great many women do become feminists as a consequence of personal experience with male sexism, it's also true that plenty of feminists did not come to activism through disappointment or hurt or anger.  And more importantly, it's essential to stress that even if every last man in America was a paragon of personal virtue, that doesn't mean that women would immediately abandon an interest in their own education and independence and autonomy.  The desire to direct one's own life is not necessarily a function of the bitter experience of powerlessness, and I'm afraid that in the narrative I've taught in the past, I've too often stressed that it is.   

My faith continues to be critical of the notion that autonomy is the ultimate good in a feminist hierarchy of goods.  But in one of those periodic shifts that have characterized my intellectual development for years and years, I'm once again more willing to embrace the notion that feminism would be essential for women even if the vast majority of men were thoughtful, kind, restrained and loving egalitarians. 

I've been teaching women's history for well over a decade, covering the same material each year.  But the meaning and the significance that I ascribe to that material has changed with great regularity, as my politics have oscillated from left to right and back, and as my faith as waxed and waned and grown again.  In 1995, 1999, 2002 and 2006 I lectured on the industrial revolution and the coming of feminism, sharing the same facts each time -- but how I've interpreted it has changed and changed again.  Whether that is a sign of a prolonged intellectual adolescence, or of a restless mind, or of  my own tendency to fetishize change and ambiguity, I don't know.

Comments

[alexander]

Hugo,

You mentioned Phyllis Schafly on another posting. How do you deal with the fact that two of the founders of modern American conservatism (I use the term "conservatism" broadly) were women: Phyllis Schafly and Ayn Rand?

Phyllis Schafly was the chief promoter of Barry Goldwater (who opened the door for other conservative candidates), sank the ERA and is still going strong today opposing feminism.

Ayn Rand has had more impact on current economic policy than any feminist. The Ayn Rand Institute is one of the chief cheerleaders for the US policies of capitalist globalization and privatization.

[Vacula]

Hugo: While it is true that a great many women do become feminists as a consequence of personal experience with male sexism, it's also true that plenty of feminists did not come to activism through disappointment or hurt or anger.

I do think peoples' response to feminism is still likely the result of personal experiences of sexism, but "feminism" and "sexism" can mean so many different things in our society that it hardly means anything to say so.

Rush Limbaugh & Mr. Bad are convinced that feminists are sexist and hate men. Gonzman & bmmg39 have had very bad experiences with abusive women and feminists that didn't respect their "bitter experiences". In my own experience, my mother and many other conservative women have been far more sexist and oppressive to women than my father and most of the men in my life.

The generalization you'd been making, as you point out now, puts a much higher priority on "victimized" personal experience than on the ideals of the movement. It's a very narrow view of oppression that leaves very little room for the negative(/sexist) influence of female anti-feminists on women and "bad" feminists on men, much less the positive impact of male or female pro-feminists on women. As you're pointing out here, "education and independence and autonomy" are values that are capable of inspiring people on their own merit. People who follow those values should also be able to inspire un-oppressed people to join the movement.

Do you think this adjustment in your thinking will change how you try to recruit more pro-feminist men or how you respond to MRA objections to feminism?

[Antigone]

Oh, Ayn Rand. Ick.

I like how her female characters were (mostly) independent and strong.

I hate how everyone in there was cold and unfeeling, and empathy was regarded as a "weakness".

[evil_fizz]

I don't know that I'd call Ayn Rand so much a conservative as someone who was obsessed with genuflecting before the altar of the Free Market (TM). (Kate, I had to steal the line. It was too good.) Also, anyone who manages to get in lines about the ultimate look of femininity being that of being chained has issues that cannot be properly dissecting in a blog comment. (Which is a line describing Dagny Taggart in Atlas Shrugged.)

Anyway, Hugo, I have a question for you. What do you mean by your "tendency to fetishize change and ambiguity"?

[Rad Geek]

Ayn Rand, for good or for ill, is pretty decisively not a founding figure in modern conservatism, but rather in modern libertarianism. Many conservatives did read her books at some point or another, but she was and is reviled by movement conservatives, from National Review's slashing review of Atlas Shrugged, in which Whit Chambers declared "From almost any page of Atlas Shrugged, a voice can be heard, from painful necessity, commanding: 'To a gas chamber — go!'," to their surprisingly nasty obit on the event of her death in 1982. The hostility was over a number of issues, but especially her militant atheism, her hostility to cultural traditionalism, and (according to Rand at least) her willingness to insist on free market policies as a matter of moral principle when conservatives were willing to compromise for the sake of religion or the purchase of political pull.

Vacula: "It's a very narrow view of oppression that leaves very little room for the negative(/sexist) influence of female anti-feminists on women and 'bad' feminists on men, much less the positive impact of male or female pro-feminists on women."

You raise some important points, but I don't understand what you are trying to highlight when you mention the "negative influence of ... 'bad' feminists on men." Speaking quite frankly, I have never met a man who talked up some kind of hostility or political opposition to feminism on the "bad experiences" he'd had with feminists, who had any genuine knowledge or understanding about feminism as a movement or as a body of theory. Men who make this complaints very typically have had some limited unhappy experience with feminists in their area, or an impressionistic idea of who feminists are and what they do as gleaned from the mass media; have made little or no effort to make themselves less than ignorant about the history or theory or practice of feminism, as explained by the women involved in it (say reading a book, or even keeping up with a feminist periodical over any period of time); and are extremely petulant about remaining in their state of ignorance while also expecting feminists to cater to their delicate sensibilities. Thus when they start talking up bad experiences with "bad" feminists, what follows is a mishmash of anecdotes, caricatures, ignorance, half-truths, dishonesty, and nonsense. Having tried talking with men like this before, I can't say I'm very much interested anymore in trying to deal with them or take the trouble of educating them; at root, the problem isn't the fault of feminism, and probably isn't the fault of the feminists that they've encountered either; the problem is that they are not making a good-faith effort at learning or understanding.

Maybe there are men who fit the description you offered but aren't like this; I've yet to meet them, though. Or have I simply misunderstood your point?

[Hugo]

evil, I mean that I tend to make a virtue out of my own mercurial temperament. I've done a lot of vacillating and reinventing in my day, both intellectual and personal -- and at times, I've taken that chronic peripateticness and made it into a bit of an idol. I've claimed, for example, that my tendency to incapacitate myself by seeing all sides of the issue is commendable, when really, it's just indecisive.

[alexander]

Oddly enough, Ayn Rand denounced libertarians as right wing hippies who want to throw bombs, use drugs and disband the FBI. Well, she got two out of three right. I said I meant "conservatism" very broadly. Most of the conservatives I grew up with had read Rand and used her to justify much of their philosophy, even though their practise diverged from the ideal.

Anyway, capitalism did win in the end, and the Ayn Randian Objectivist Institute is currently cheering on capitalist globalism, and does support the neo-con war on terror--might be interesting to check out their website.

Speaking quite frankly, I have never met a man who talked up some kind of hostility or political opposition to feminism on the "bad experiences" he'd had with feminists, who had any genuine knowledge or understanding about feminism as a movement or as a body of theory.

Well, that is like saying that people who object to communism owing to their experiences in the USSR lack any genuine knowledge of Marxist ideology. (Or people who had a bad experience with the Inquisition lacking any knowledge of christian doctrine.)

We have to deal with the reality, not the theoretical.

But...perhaps you can give me a summary of feminist ideology.

[Vacula]

Rad Geek, I'm not saying it's justified for MRAs who've had bad experiences with one or more feminists to hate all feminists or reject all feminist theory. I was appreciating Hugo's awareness of the danger in looking to personal (bad) experiences as the most effective motivation for feminists.

That's an approach that fails to really trust that the ideals of the movement are worth pursuing on their own merits. If a feminist can say "all MRAs are personally biased against feminism because they don't understand it and have had bad personal experiences with unworthy feminists," what prevents an MRA from discounting feminism (if primarily motivated by bad personal experinces) as a movement of "angry women who resent men because they've been taught to feel victimized"?

[evil_fizz]

Ah. I prefer to think of my mercurial temperment as the progression of an inquiring mind. Really what it comes down to is that I prefer to argue first and read later a bit too often, but I like to be able to pretend it's something better than that. :)

[Rad Geek]

alexander: Oddly enough, Ayn Rand denounced libertarians as right wing hippies who want to throw bombs, use drugs and disband the FBI.

Well, she objected to the name "libertarian," and to some individual people who described themselves as such. But Tuccille is right about libertarianism; it usually did begin with Ayn Rand, and her reception among, and influence over, the growing libertarian movement of the time was certainly very different from her reception among, and influence over, the growing conservative movement of the time. (And many of the members of "conservative" groups who were influenced by her ended up leaving -- e.g. in the departure of the libertarians from YAF.) Incidentally, I don't think there's any correct sense of "conservatism," no matter how broad, that includes free markets as a matter of moral principle, let alone militant atheism or hostility to cultural traditionalism. But this is well off the topic by now; in any case, Rand's (astonishingly reactionary) attitudes towards sexuality and women's proper relationship to men are fodder enough for the point you wanted to raise, quite apart from any questions about "conservatism" proper.

alexander: Well, that is like saying that people who object to communism owing to their experiences in the USSR lack any genuine knowledge of Marxist ideology. (Or people who had a bad experience with the Inquisition lacking any knowledge of christian doctrine.)

I hope that you understand that comparing whatever bad experiences a man in the United States may have had with feminism, or with something that he thought or imagined to have something to do with feminism, to the reign of terror in the Soviet Union, or in Europe under the Inquisition, is insulting. Not just to feminists, but also to the victims of Communism and the Inquisition.

We have to deal with the reality, not the theoretical.

That's fine, but someone who has not taken the time to so much as, say, read a sustained discussion by a feminist of feminist thought and action, or a serious book-length memoir or history of the feminist movement -- and, to be clear, this encompasses every anti-feminist I've ever met who based his or her position on bad run-ins with something he or she took to be related to feminism -- has not done the basic homework necessary to understand the reality. Basic facts about the positions advocated by major feminist thinkers or the actions and historical trajectories of important feminist groups are an important part of what the reality of feminism is.

Vacula: Rad Geek, I'm not saying it's justified for MRAs who've had bad experiences with one or more feminists to hate all feminists or reject all feminist theory. I was appreciating Hugo's awareness of the danger in looking to personal (bad) experiences as the most effective motivation for feminists. That's an approach that fails to really trust that the ideals of the movement are worth pursuing on their own merits. If a feminist can say "all MRAs are personally biased against feminism because they don't understand it and have had bad personal experiences with unworthy feminists," what prevents an MRA from discounting feminism (if primarily motivated by bad personal experinces) as a movement of "angry women who resent men because they've been taught to feel victimized"?

Well, fair enough; unreflective appeals to personal experience or testimony can be dangerous. But I think there are some important differences between the appeals that some feminists make to first-hand experiences of victimization by men and the appeals that MRAs (for example) make to first-hand experiences of what they take to be bad treatment at the hands of what they take to be feminism. One difference being that women can be pretty sure when their victimizers are men whereas MRAs often seem to have a very confused idea of when they are encountering feminism at all (e.g. the frequent identification of bad experiences in family court with oppression at the hands of some kind of congealed feminist power-structure; it's not just unrepresentative feminists, but also people who have very little relation to feminism at all that MRAs take to be victimizing them in the name of the mythical feminist hegemony). Women's first-hand experiences of victimization by men generally also include a number of things that are indisputably wrongs (e.g. rape, battery, street harassment, overt prejudice against women, etc.) whereas MRAs first-hand experience is at best a mixed bag (whether or not you were treated unfairly in family court is a much more complicated question than whether your husband was wrong to beat you; other common objections, such as the purported anti-male bias in education, are simply delusory). There are a lot of other distinctions that can be drawn. Broadly speaking, I don't think that "starting from personal experience" means "treating everyone's say-so as equally decisive in political questions," which is important, since treating everyone's say-so as equally decisive is obviously a dead-end strategy. (I also don't think that starting from personal experience means not trusting the ideals of the movement to be worthwhile on their own merits; I do think, though, that trusting women's first-hand experiences is -- as the Redstockings, for example, argued -- both an important ideal of the movement and an important way of discovering what the further ideals of the movement should be. (To be clear, I don't think that Hugo was arguing against either of these things, or that you were; I'm just trying to clear up where I'm standing.)

All that said, I think that you make an excellent point above when you point out (among other things) that the sort of first-hand experiences that feminism should be interested in are broader than women's first-hand experiences of victimization by men, and that among other things women's first-hand positive experiences of (e.g.) sisterhood ought to be given attention as well.

[Vacula]

Amen, Rad Geek. I agree we need to value positive stories and be motivated by abused women's stories. But I also think we need to listen to the criticisms inherent in stories like bmmg39's, when he describes how he suffered from abusive women then didn't find a sympathetic audience among feminists.

Where we go from there, as you've said, has to depend on a bigger context that includes the ideals of the movement and its historical strengths and weaknesses. We can't default to an endless boy vs. girl victim game if feminism is truly about justice and equality and freedom.

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