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May 19, 2006

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Mva

And without starting a flame war, I'd suggest that rape is qualitatively different from, say, losing a hand in an industrial accident.

Losing a hand can mean becoming homeless and ultimately dying a hungry beggar, but I guess rape is rape, and that must be worse, according to you. Or 'qualitatively different' whatever that means in this context. I'm not really into putting victims of misfortune onto different levels of pedestals. I think other people's misfortunes and how much they suffer from them is a subjective and endless speculative debate not worth getting into - and I'm not sure why you made that bizarre comparison.

Without starting an oppression Olympics, I think sex work and the particular kinds of dangers associated with it are unique in a way necessitating action.

What action? More regulation? If so, I agree with you (again).

What concrete proposals do you have for the porn industry - what is this necessary action you allude to?

You keep pointing out only women can be victims, and I'm a little suspicious how you don't concede there can ever be male victims of abuse in porn, just like any other industry, nor have you even bothered to say what kind of action you'd like to see happen - it just seems you're happy to wallow in a problem you claim is serious and affects women only. It smacks a little of victim identity politics.

evil_fizz

First of all, I prefaced my comments by saying I didn't want to start an oppression olympics. It's merely a statement of my own opinion and you can think as much or as little of it as you'd like. This is not something quantifiable. It's pretty much that in my gut, I'd rather lose a hand than be raped. Feel free to disagree, if you can manage to do so without sneering. It's not an argument based on reasoned facts.

You keep pointing out only women can be victims, and I'm a little suspicious how you don't concede there can ever be male victims of abuse in porn, just like any other industry, nor have you even bothered to say what kind of action you'd like to see happen - it just seems you're happy to wallow in a problem you claim is serious and affects women only. It smacks a little of victim identity politics.

Remember that condescending thing I mentioned? You're doing it again. Knock it off.

I'm happy to concede that there are male victims in porn, although I suspect they are fewer in number, if for no other reason that that there are fewer male porn performers than women. (I have my own thoughts on this, but that's separate.) I've not heard any specific stories about the abuse of men in porn, but by all means, direct us to them. (John Holmes and his coke addition, maybe?)

And speaking of action, since you're so gung ho about more regulation, why don't you tell us about your suggestions?

Mva

You didn't actually answer any of my questions. Not that you have to of course, but I'm just interested in your opinion on those issues.

I'd rather lose a hand than be raped. Feel free to disagree, if you can manage to do so without sneering. It's not an argument based on reasoned facts.

You have to realise your opinion in isolation here is pretty meaningless. You are not the aribiter of deciding the pecking order of misfortunes.

Remember that condescending thing I mentioned? You're doing it again. Knock it off.

No - I really meant what I said - as in, no irony, no offense meant to be given - I really think your posts are constructed around a very particular identification with a perceived victim class. Call that condascending - that's exactly what I'm reading from your posts.

And speaking of action, since you're so gung ho about more regulation, why don't you tell us about your suggestions?

Well I've already said regulation is the only way to highlight problems and therefore deal with them. Same as any other industry. You're never going to eliminate abuse altogether, just as you're never going to get zero accidents in the construction industry through foul play, or companies cutting corners, or sheer human negligence. Happens in every industry.

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