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June 09, 2005

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djw

From the NARTH website:

NARTH respects each client's dignity, autonomy and free agency.

We believe that clients have the right to claim a gay identity, or to diminish their homosexuality and to develop their heterosexual potential.

The right to seek therapy to change one's sexual adaptation should be considered self-evident and inalienable.

OK, great. If you do invite them, I think they need to be asked some pretty pointed questions about their relationship to Ex-gay organizations like Love in Action who are willing to do this to people against their will. Are they censured? Kicked out of the network? Is any action taken against them at all? And if not, why not, especially given the affirmation of choice and agency in their mission statement?

Many, many years ago, I let a 17 year old stay on my couch for a few weeks after she came out to her parents and things got ugly. At the time, I thought there must be a sort of underground railroad, a network of safe places for these kids to go, but I don't know anything about any such thing. The world needs it, and thousands of kids need access to information about it.

Hugo Schwyzer

That's a good point. I support the individual's right to seek out therapy, as NARTH asks; I don't support it being foisted onto unwilling juveniles. It would be a very good question to ask.

John

What would you say about me if I judged Gay Rights organisations by a splinter group like Love in Action? By "reconsidering" your NARTH invite, that is exactly what you are doing-Tarring all Change therapies with that brush, (including ones like Courage) and hearing only one side of the story. ( which is tragic, if true). I'm not suprised NARTH doesn't want to come and beard the lion in your class. I wouldn't either, if you jumped to sweeping conclusions based on one case. It's all very well to parade one's tolerance for differing opinions, but it is cases like this which really show up our (and I mean our, not just your) stereotypes, and show how much the tolerance rhetoric comes from the heart.

mythago

John, "gay rights organizations" are not trying to use "reparative therapy" to persuade or force heterosexuals to become homosexual. I wouldn't have any tolerance for a group that did, and I wouldn't expect you to either.

Hugo Schwyzer

John, don't worry, I'm going to invite NARTH. I will ask them to comment on Love in Action, however. Remember, dear friend, I post in haste and rethink in leisure.

The Angry Clam

And people get upset when I demand mandatory sterilizations of the adult population without a specific reproductive license.

Parents that ship their kids off to these things and, worse yet, places like Tranquility Bay are sick puppies.

mythago

It's a handy way to, say, cover up abusing your children, isn't it?

(And you seem rather optimistic about how those licenses would get handed out.)

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