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January 11, 2005

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Hugo

Joseph, to say that women "harass" men by wearing short skirts is patently silly, and it trivializes the very real problem. Plenty of men find it perfectly possible to see attractive women in revealing clothing -- and continue to see them as human beings worthy of respect and dignity.

Caitriona

walking down a street wearing makeup ... way for women to harass men. So men respond in kind.


Now THAT is a new one to me.

Uzzah

Joseph> 1) Construction work is hard, dangerous work (not too long ago an acquaintance lost part of his hand in a construction accident). Men (and it was mostly male at the time) are risking their lives in order to build the structures that protect women and allow women to go about their safe pink and white collar jobs.

Hmm.. I used to do it for the money..

alexander

Plenty of men find it perfectly possible to see attractive women in revealing clothing -- and continue to see them as human beings worthy of respect and dignity.

No doubt many women can see a Playboy centerfold over a man's desk as harmless. Yet this is criminalized under "sexual harassment" laws.

Vacula

Joseph-Alexander: Despite the fact that both scenarios involve attractive women, there is absolutly no "harassment" parallel between a woman wearing "sexy" clothing and a man having a Playboy centerfold on his desk.

A man wearing tight pants or no shirt might parallel a woman wearing revealing clothes, but obviously the "harassment" potential would have to be judged according to the clothing expectations of the specific context and their actual behavior, not just their clothes or lack therof.

You can't charge obnoxious people you meet on the street with sexual harrassment - it's an employment issue.

mythago

Yet this is criminalized under "sexual harassment" laws.

Please cite a criminal statute prohibiting possession of a copy of Playboy at private workplaces.

Hollow Women

Feminism is Communism. Feminism must be eradicated forever!

History calls communists to account
From Charles Bremmer in Paris

FIFTEEN years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, the Council of Europe last night became the first international body to condemn crimes against humanity committed by the communist regimes of the Soviet Union and other states.

However, in a vote that was bitterly contested by Russia and Western Europe’s left-wing parties, the 46-nation council failed to raise the two-thirds majority needed to approve a tougher resolution by a Swedish MP that called on former communist states to teach the truth about their former regimes and create days of remembrance.

The council assembly, which includes MPs from all former European communist states except Belarus, voted by simple majority for a motion deploring that there had never been an international inquiry on the “crimes committed in these states”.

“These have never been condemned by the international community as have been the horrible crimes committed in the name of (German) National Socialism”, said Göran Lindblad, a Swedish conservative MP. The failure to win the broader motion underlined the misgivings among parliamentarians over the wisdom of revisiting painful history and issuing blanket condemnations. The council was founded after the Second World War to protect human rights and the rule of law. The case made by conservatives for putting Stalin on a par with Hitler has fuelled a furious dispute in recent years in France, Greece and other Western European states where Marxist doctrines and communist parties enjoy strong sympathies. A Russian opinion poll last month suggested that 42 per cent of Russians believed that Stalin had played a positive role in their country.

MPs from Hungary, Estonia, Bulgaria and other former Soviet satellite states gave emotional backing to the vote. Russian MPs relayed the anger in Moscow over what is seen as a hostile act aimed at isolating their country and opening the way to lawsuits.

Natalia Narochnitskaya, deputy chief of the Duma’s foreign affairs committee, said that Europe should be denouncing the terror of the French Revolution. She added: “Oliver Cromwell has never been denounced.”

REGIMES OF DEATH

# Conservative estimate of deaths attributed to Soviet and other Communist regimes in the European Council document presented yesterday (1917-present day): 94.5 million

# Soviet Union (1917-89): 20 million victims (includes party purges, mass murder, deportations, starvation policy in 1930s Ukraine, wartime reprisals)

# China: 65 million (under Mao Zedong and successors)

# Vietnam: 1 million

# North Korea: 2 million

# Cambodia: 2 million

# Eastern Europe: 1 million

# Latin America: 150,000

# Africa: 1.7 million

# Afghanistan: 1.5 million

alexander

A man wearing tight pants or no shirt might parallel a woman wearing revealing clothes, but obviously the "harassment" potential would have to be judged according to the clothing expectations of the specific context and their actual behavior, not just their clothes or lack thereof.

My point is something like this: the mere fact that we are "judging" such behavior shows just how repressed we really are--and how much time we are wasting on such nonsense. I could care less about if someone wanted to walk around campus in a thong or sunbathe in the buff on the university green. But I could also care less if a Playboy centerfold were displayed at a work cubicle.

We waste our time on idiocy like this. Yet real workplace safety goes by the boards. You know how many workers die every year on the job? And how little OSHA does to prevent this? And are you aware of how much management violates union laws? Or of the abysmal treatment that whistleblowers get? But all this gets only a fraction of the debate and enforcement that "sexual harassment" does.

I've always contended that the "sexual harassment" laws were put into place as a means to keep the workers divided among themselves. They used to show PSAs on TV (back when I had a TV) how women could bring "sexual harassment" suits for co-workers daring to tell a female worker that she looked good. Wow, I really feel safe!

In this respect, feminism is simply another tool used by the elites to keep us all in our places.

Kythi

Alexander sounds like a typical sexist hetero pig. Feminism is a movement that has helped pull women out from under men. If a woman is in a working environment, she may not necessarily want to hear stupid unwanted inane comments about her appearance, good or otherwise. Yes, men do need to learn how to keep their fat traps shut and it kills you that you cannot say and do as you please like men could thirty or forty years ago did. New legislation brought on by feminism has helped put a lid on some of the disgusting harassing behavior, although unfortunately not enough. Until people realize that there is NO acceptable level of harassment that should take place at work, then the lawsuits will continue, and rightly so. Secondly, I also doubt the agenda of the writer of this website. I don't believe any man can embrace a movement that threatens his privileged position in this patriarchy. Nothing men do in this patriarchy truly benefits women and there is nothing men can honestly do for a movement that benefits women because men lack perspective into what it is to be oppressed by the opposite sex.

Amelia

Kythi, does that then mean only people of color can claim to be anti-racist since white people are historically the oppressors who lack perspective and embracing an equal rights movement threatens their privileged position?

gayatri

I really enjoyed your post on homosociality ... i did a google for the topic since i need to read up on it for my Cinema Studies exam...
I found your article very practical and practicable.
Good luck on your mission !!!!

Diana

Kythi, your comment made me smile. However, I disagree with your statement that the writer of this article has ulterior motives - I think it's completely possible for a man to fully support and respect women without a personal agenda. I say this as a feminist and a lesbian, so you can't really say that I'm biased towards men on those counts.

I found the article quite insightful though - confirms a lot of suspicions and answers a lot of questions about male behavior. Hell, even I find myself behaving similarly in some occasions. In female company, and on my own, I completely object to the use of the words whore or slut towards a woman, however, amongst my 'rough and tough' guy buddies who use these terms in derogatory manners, objecting to them would make me either sound preachy or like a giant whimp.

Ryan

Is it not funny that the vast majority of the posters here nailing Hugo to the cross are, in fact, male? Just what are they trying to prove, exactly?

In my experience, not conforming to the traditional masculinity means being labeled a traitor by men. That is far more common than the potential traitor label applied by some women. Even though in order for Hugo to actually be capitalizing on capital "P" Patriarchy, he'd have to actually be subscribing to essentialist notions of what it is to be a man, which he clearly is not.

Samia

Bless you for this.

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Rud

Kythi, the fact that men can no longer say what they please and now need to learn "how to keep their fat traps shut and it kills you that you cannot say and do as you please like men could thirty or forty years ago did" just because a woman might be around and get offended is probably only going to just separate men and women in the long run. in the previous page Kris posted about how she is excluded from her boyfriends guy trips, well let me tell you, one of the big reasons guys exclude women from these trips is so that they can say whatever they please without having to worry about offending women, it just so happens that men happen to dislike having to watch what they say, as a guy, having to watch what i say around women sucks major balls, which is why whenever i hang out with friends most of the time its just us guys (no girls allowed).

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