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Amy Sullivan returns from her brief hiatus to bring her readers continued observations on John Kerry and the Communion conundrum. Ms. Sullivan suggests that if Kerry is denied Communion in public that it will only help to get him elected.... [Read More]

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jeremyw

What is Marian devotion? (I know I can Google for it, but I'd like to hear from you, and why you'd like Mennonites to embrace it!)

Also, I'd be curious to read more about your denominational journeys, if you haven't already blogged about them, and how you relate to your two churches.

Xrlq
Though I am opposed to abortion, I don't regard it as a greater moral evil than war or capital punishment (I am intensely wary of "ranking" sins, be they individual or societal).

Surely you jest. Apart from the sheer silliness of labeling capital punishment and war as "sins," do you really mean to suggest that all sins are equal? Think about where that reasoning leads: fighting in the Wehrmacht to help expand Hitler's empire was no different from fighting in the U.S. Army to stop him. Further, both acts are no better than taking a hostage and slowly sawing his head off in front of two video cameras to score a cheap political point, yet no worse than stealing an apple or driving 66 mph in a clearly marked 65 mph zone. Am I missing something here?

annika

Catholics do believe in "ranking" sins, i.e. mortal vs. venial sins.

My own position on communion for politicians is this. i oppose abortion, and i don't like Kerry. However, i don't believe that priests should refuse to give communion to Kerry because of his public position on abortion. That would be to presume knowledge of Kerry's conscience, which is an individual thing. The only priest in a position to know Kerry's conscience would be his confessor, and that priest would be prohibited from disclosing anything revealed during Kerry's confession (assuming he went to confession). Once you start denying communion to people based on their statements as politicians, you get into a slippery slope area, where you have to start denying communion for a whole "host" of other reasons.

Hugo

Nice pun, Annika. Indeed, since Aquinas (if not before), Catholics have ranked sins -- though often the rankings are not compatible with secular, legal definitions of what is just.

As far as XRLQ's concerns, both Catholic and Anabaptist theology acknowledge the existence of "structural sin" -- sin that exists on a corporate, not merely an individual level. Abortion is more personal than the death penalty, but it does not mean that the sin is any greater -- states and their agents can be as imbued with sin as individuals acting alone.

And I am reluctant to "rank" sins because I recognize that my own biases will invariably lead me to place highest on the list those sins in which I do not participate, while diminishing the severity of my own.

John

That's fair, Hugo. I don't like ranking sins either. But the Catholic Church teaches that the right to life is the foundation of all the other rights, that those politicians who vote for death are against the doctrine of the Faith. The Vatican, to answer Annika, does forbid communion for any number of reasons, (adultery, divorce, etc.) Kerry's stand on the issue is very public. Look at his voting record-You don't need to ask his confessor-The man is hotly pro-death. I don't like the "Consistent life" arguments on this one either-"When we've fixed child poverty, the death penalty, etc. etc. etc., THEN we can do something about abortion". It's a cop-out to allow pro-life people to vote for pro-choice politicians, something I will never do, even if the politician is a Tory.

Hugo

Well, John, I agree with you that it's no good waiting until all the other issues are fixed before we focus on abortion.

But while my own stand on abortion is far closer to the president's than to John Kerry's, when I weigh all of the issues out (particularly economic and environmental ones), I come -- with some reluctance -- to the side of the "presumptive Democratic nominee".

Camassia

I think the reluctance of many Christians to rank sin -- and Hugo isn't alone, I've encountered that a lot -- stems ultimately from Paul's line in Romans that "all fall short." In other words, any sin separates you from God and goes against his will, so everyone who sins -- i.e., every human being on earth -- needs salvation in grace. Also, in many of the epistles the church fathers use this reasoning to warn against pride and arrogance, because even if you've sinned less than the person next to you you're still a sinner in God's sight.

All this is highly theological, however, and shouldn't be mistaken for a claim that all sins should be punished the same here on earth. After all, when God laid down the Mosaic laws he prescribed different punishments for different crimes. Since Christians are no longer subject to all Jewish laws, the question of earthly punishment is a sticky one that's never been resolved to my satisfaction, but that's another subject.

Neil Dhingra

Dear Hugo,

Thank you very much for your blog. Regarding the letters from the Saturday New York Time, I thought that you might be interested in the following, from the National Catholic Reporter's Vatican correspondent John Allen's 2.20.2004 'Word From Rome' column:

"One crucial aspect of the debate pivots on this question: Is there any room, however slight, within Catholic tradition for a Catholic politician to both uphold the church’s teaching on the immorality of abortion, and yet not actively promote its legal prohibition?

"Two noted Catholic thinkers in Rome, one a moral theologian and the other a philosopher, say there might be. Both emphasize, however, that the circumstances under which such a distinction could be justified must be carefully circumscribed, and do not necessarily describe any actual politician’s circumstances.

"I put the question to Fr. Brian Johnstone, a moral theologian at Rome’s Redemptorist-run Alphonsian Academy, and Fr. Robert Gahl, a philosopher at the Opus Dei-run Santa Croce University.

"Here’s the hypothetical: Suppose a Catholic politician was firmly convinced of the church’s teaching on abortion, and was personally involved in efforts to oppose abortion at the social and cultural level. The politician, for example, might give money from his own resources to support unwed mothers, might volunteer at counseling centers to help pregnant women explore options other than abortion, and would make public his opposition to abortion in all circumstances.

"At the same time, this politician is genuinely convinced that legal prohibition will backfire, causing an escalation in unsafe procedures whose impact will fall disproportionately on the poor, and may even result in more abortions as women are scared away from exploring their options for fear of legal fallout. In other words, the politician believes that effective prohibition of abortion may not be achieved through civil legislation.

"Is such a position defensible on the basis of Catholic moral principles?

"'That position could be argued,' Johnstone said, emphasizing that he did not necessarily agree with it. He noted, however, that such a stance would be virtually impossible to reconcile with recent magisterial documents such as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s Doctrinal Note on some questions regarding the participation of Catholics in political life.

"'A politician may never foster laws that open the way to more abortions,' Johnstone said. 'But if a person is convinced that attempts to eliminate abortion by law are not feasible under present circumstances, and genuinely pursues other social means to accomplish that end, that could be judged coherent with Catholic moral thinking,' he said.

"Gahl agreed, but placed two conditions.

"First, the politician would have to make publicly clear that abortion is gravely evil and that the eventual goal is abolition. Second, the judgment that legal prohibition won’t work would have to be expressed as a 'contingent, provisional' analysis, not as a general principle. In other words, the politician cannot propose legal tolerance of abortion as a norm, but merely as a concession to a particular set of circumstances.

"'Abortion is a violation of a fundamental, if not the fundamental, human right,' Gahl said. 'The purpose of law is to promote justice and to defend the weak, and any politician must desire that law do this. Otherwise the very idea of law would be emptied.'

"Both Johnstone and Gahl emphasized that the burden of proof would be on the politician who wishes to argue that attempts to promote prohibition would be ineffective in a given context.

"Gahl also stressed that a Catholic politician cannot base such a view on the notion of tolerance. 'The right to life is a principle so fundamental that it precedes all tolerance,' he said.

"Nevertheless, both men said there is a conceptual distinction, though not a separation, between moral analysis and political strategy. The latter involves prudential judgment, and there may be times and places when the aim of eradication of abortion cannot be achieved with legal means ..."

Neil

Hugo

Thank you, Neil; that's so good, I'll mention it in the blog itself.

John

That might be so (and as he says, the Vatican's "Doctrinal Note" is very clear that it's basically not), it is only so for those whose opposition to Abortion is clear. Kerry's support is very clear indeed, esp. on issues like Partial Birth Abortion etc, which even pro-choice politicians voted against. But not Kerry.

Communion is not a civil right, neither is it something designed to make you feel better. It is a sign of fellowship with the Church, and many good Catholics refrain from Communion because of many reasons that break that fellowship, including that they forgot Confession this week. Refusing Communion to a persistent sinner is a pastoral grace, to prevent the sinner falling into worse sin, and is practiced even in my lower-than-dirt Pentecostal church, which has an open table. When it's all said and done, who gets Communion is the Church's decision. In this case, much as it kills my severely Protestant conscience to say so, "Roma locuta, causa finita est", or as I, and most, if not all of my Evangelical brethren would say: "Scriptura Sacra locuta, res decida est".

Xrlq

I don't doubt that groups, such as corporations, states, etc., are capable of sinning. I just think that war and the death penalty are crummy examples of that. Once you start down that path, there's no clear stopping point, and before you know it, every political disagreement with an arguably moral angle to it (read: most) ends up being cast as some heroic struggle between good and evil.

Regardless, let's go against my better judgment and assume for argument's sake that abortion, the death penalty, and war are all sins. Assume further that it is impossible for mortals to rank them, i.e., we must assume that in the eyes of God, killing an innocent, developing fetus is no better or worse than killing a not-so-innocent, convicted murder, and either offense is morally equivalent to allowing one person to die in a war. Given that, and given the huge imbalance between the number of abortions in this country every year, vs. the relatively paltry number of war deaths and the near-zero deaths by lawful execution, how can anyone who believes as you do vote in good conscience for Democrats?

annika

"when I weigh all of the issues out . . . I come -- with some reluctance -- to the side of the 'presumptive Democratic nominee'"

Much as i complain about my friends on the right who are one issue voters, i must confess that i won't vote for a pro-abortion candidate unless there is no other alternative. So for me, i guess that while abortion is not the only issue, it is at the top of the list of issues i use to vet candidates.

R

"If fetuses aren't people, why is this procedure different from any other routine medical procedure?" Has there been anything written into law that defines exactly when a fetus does a person? Is this something that there is undisputed concensus on?

Neil Dhingra

I also found worth reading the editorial from the current America (a Jesuit weekly). It says, in part:

"The U.S. Catholic Bishops’ Conference has established a committee, chaired by Cardinal Theodore McCarrick of Washington, D.C., charged with developing a policy statement on the responsibilities of Catholics in public life. Although the committee is not expected to publish its statement until after the November elections, Cardinal McCarrick has observed that he would be very reluctant to use exclusion from participation in the Eucharist as a sanction for Catholic politicians whose legislative decisions seem inconsistent with Catholic teaching. It is likely that most U.S. bishops share Cardinal McCarrick’s distaste for such sanctions, and certainly many in the Catholic community, including the editors of this journal, would find the imposition of such sanctions to be pastorally offensive and politically inept. In fact, the imposition of such ecclesial sanctions suggests that the abortion issue is one of denominational discipline, a 'Catholic issue,' rather than an issue of human rights, around which a broad coalition of religious and nonreligious traditions can unite.

"When questioned by Catholic News Service, European and British bishops showed no interest in employing the denial of Communion as a weapon to control the Catholic politicians in their countries. The Tablet of London even reported last year that Pope John Paul II gave Communion to British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a pro-choice Anglican, during a private Mass. One Italian bishop identified the underlying issue with admirable simplicity: 'Faith is one thing. Legislation is another.' Legislators who believe that abortion is immoral may, rightly or wrongly, decide that legalized abortion is the least of several possible evils in a pluralistic society.

"At the same time, Catholic bishops and voters have a right to expect Catholics in public life, who affirm their personal belief in the immorality of abortion, to demonstrate that commitment by working to reduce the number of abortions that take place each year. Such efforts will include but not be limited to legislative initiatives. Catholic bishops and Catholic voters can take the measure of a candidate’s total record on abortion, but the bishops would be wise to let the voters come to their own conclusions on the records of individual candidates."

One can find the entire editorial at americamagazine.org .

Thank you again.

Neil

Joy Paul

I cring when a church wants to start withholding communion from someone because of his/her views that he/she holds. I guess that is why I don't worship in a "mainstream" church, because I know that I would not be welcome at the communion table--I'm gay.

So I worship in a church where we practice open communion. While I respect a church that decides to "police" the communion table or its membership, I also think that we then (especially me in the past) make the mistake of judging someone else's spirituality. I used to judge those who wore their hair on their collar as "poor examples of Christ's followers." Although this may seem very ridiculous to many of you, it is not too many steps away from keeping John Kerry away from the communion table because of his stand on abortion.

Before you start to take sides on whether the Catholic Church should give communion to John Kerry or not, why not ask this quesion? How many people in my church (maybe secretly) agree with his position on abortion? What steps am I taking, or my church taking, to bar them from communion? Or better yet, ask this question: Should I or my church be consistent in this area and bar all sinners from partaking of the elements?

Since many have declared who they intend to vote for this November, I will honestly declare that I personally hope GWB wins, but I don't intend to vote for him. My political views tend (mostly) to point to Bush, but I simply can't bring myself to vote Republican, since there are so many gay bashers among them.

While some may say not voting is "venial sin," I don't vote for a specific reason, not because I am disinterested.

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